Comments on Momopoly: Opening a Can of Worms, Bacteria, and Viruses

Josie and everyone, thank you all for your thought...

2009-12-08T12:13:21.777-05:00

Josie and everyone, thank you all for your thoughtful comments!

Blessings!

Dear Kate, I'm a little late in reading this arti...

2009-12-08T09:09:18.951-05:00

Dear Kate,

I'm a little late in reading this article, but I thank you so very much because it has helped me tremendously in my decisions and peace about vaccinations. I am pregnant with baby #4 and, Praise God!, and really grappled with whether or not to get the swine flu vaccine for myself having a great concern for the baby, and I kept telling the Lord that He was not giving me a clear answer (b/c I too have that parental fear of what if there is a bad reaction-could I hurt the baby?), and I realized that both my 100% pro-life OB/GYN who attends daily mass and adoration and two other doctors I trust highly suggested I get the vaccine. And well, when I really considered what He had given me to work with I realize that God was working through these people-what other confirmation was I looking for?, at least for my own personal decision here in this regard.
So I got it, and have had peace about it ever since, but I really can't tell you enough how much what you have written has helped me with my own children as I consider the vaccines that will be coming up for this sweet boy in my womb after birth. I have vaccinated all my children but am always worrying about it. It was nice to read reassuring words.
P.S.-I would love to read an article about labor and delivery intervention I have my own hunches and I'd be really interested in what you have to say after having experienced different labors withe my first 3.

God bless!

Hi Kate, Good job broaching controversy once agai...

2009-11-05T11:14:47.782-05:00

Hi Kate,
Good job broaching controversy once again! My main concerns with vaccines are not really medical or related to autism. What parent does not worry a little about whether or not the possibility of a reaction is worse than the possibility of the disease, but my goal is to not worry at all. We will do a delayed schedule of ethical versions only. I believe this link with the ethical list may have already been posted: http://www.cogforlife.org/fetalvaccines.htm
Here you can tell which lines are fetal, right down to the numbered part of that baby.
Just to touch on the idea of trying "not to worry at all" about it, I want to past in a quote from another forum (not from me) that I found worth thinking over. Hugs to you and the girls!! They are so cute!
kelly

Quote from anon: To me, what this swine flu pandemonium reveals is that humanity's greatest fear is still suffering and death. When will it cease to shock us? You will die. Each of us will die! Many of us will suffer! Is this cause for fear? Is this cause for panic when we are reminded that "we are dust and unto dust we shall return?" The Church reminds us of this every Ash Wednesday.

Of course, to a world without hope, the fact of suffering and death is too much to bear. And it certainly causes panic, fear, and a vain search for saviors. But who has the power to save?

Our Catholic faith puts at the center of the answer to that question the person of Jesus Christ - who saves not just through his teaching and preaching, but through his suffering and death. Christ's suffering and Christ's death are what brings salvation to the world. He teaches us not to be afraid and certainly not to panic in the face of any foe - biological or otherwise! We all will die - that should not shock us any more. What is shocking, though, is that we will resurrect. A body destroyed by the swine flu, had he hoped in Christ, will resurrect. There is no place for fear and panic. If the flu comes, it comes (do not forget the common sense measures to protect against disease - we are not searching for death - we merely do not fear it). Hope in Christ means that we live our lives in perfect contentment that nothing, not even death, will be able to separate us from the love of Christ (Romans 8:39).

The true disease is not swine flu but man-flu - it is fear that leads to panic and despair - and even to insanity and demonic possession. Jesus dealt with a man like that once...and ironically he remedied it by sending the man-flu into the swine. Read http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/mark/mark5.htm Luke 5: 1-20.

Gretchen, I did some research on the FDA website...

2009-11-03T14:12:47.879-05:00

Gretchen,

I did some research on the FDA website and read all of the package inserts for both the seasonal flu and H1N1 vaccines. There are four companies who make each of these vaccines (at least for the U.S.).

Only one company makes the H1N1 Vaccine for young children. Ironically, it is not the same company who makes the seasonal flu vaccine for young children.

I am curious, why would the same company who makes the seasonal flu vaccine for young children, NOT make the H1N1 vacccine for kids under 12?

Just an interesting question!

Also,
At foxnews.com, there is an Associated Press article entitled "Study: Side Effects Not Necessarily from H1N1 Vaccine". This article basically states that there have been no proven side effects from the vaccine so far and that "hundreds of people die every day, and that doesn't necessarily mean that the swine flu vaccine is to blame".
However, in this article the following statement was made:

"In the U.S., experts expect that for every 1 million pregnant women who get the swine flu shot, 397 will have a spontaneous abortion within a day. Only if the rates of these events exceed these baseline numbers should experts suspect the vaccine might be responsible."

Sort of a chilling statement.

My pregnant sister's five children are sick with the swine flu right now and I, too, am of the mindset that we need to pray and keep our focus, no matter how we proceed.

Perhaps a little off-topic, but I have a friend in...

2009-10-27T20:39:58.645-04:00

Perhaps a little off-topic, but I have a friend in Australia who is in the health-care field and he recommends the H1N1 shot. HOWEVER, over there, no one under 12 can receive it.

Isn't that strange? Would it be basically the same vaccine as ours? I'd think so.

Hurrah and Amen! Thank you for writing this piec...

2009-10-27T18:51:27.787-04:00

Hurrah and Amen!

Thank you for writing this piece Kate. I am on a slightly "crunchy" side too and this causes some around me to think that I am into the conspiracy theories and try and get me to be passionate about their latest boogie man. I am too a firm believer in vaccinations. I DO however have a VERY big problem with the WAY that one of these is made on the aborted baby cells, so my concern is one of morality not the science of why. Having said that I have had ALL my 7 children vaccinated. Getting hold of the vaccine alternative to the one made on the abortions are difficult to find and I feel that more should go into providing these vaccines based on chicken or other animals.( I'm no scientist but I would think that as there IS an alternative , they could develop that one more) I had delayed the vaccinating of my 7th child quite sometime trying to find where you could get the alternative. In the end I chose to use what is available as I couldn't bare for my child to come in contact ( while remote at this stage) with someone that DOES have one of these horrible diseases that are now so uncommon ( but are going to become more common with this spreading of anti vaccinating propaganda). I have my boy's circumcised to protect them in later life, why not vaccinate to protect them too?

It is true that one has to weigh up the risks of both sides of the fence and decide for themselves ( AND not berate those that chose differently to your self) but always remember, as one other commenter said...It is a choice of WHICH set of risks you are willing to take, NOT the irradiating of risk.

For those who are concerned about the MMR, please ...

2009-10-27T10:29:33.396-04:00

For those who are concerned about the MMR, please be aware that the Mumps and Measles immunisations are available separately (though may not be easy to find) It is only the Rubella portion that is made from the aborted fetal cell lines.

My husband is infertile because he contracted mumps in his teens. Three of my grandfathers brothers died from Spanish flu. And pregnant women and their babies are dying from H1N1.

My biggest issues with vaccines are these - #1 -...

2009-10-26T20:00:03.997-04:00

My biggest issues with vaccines are these -

#1 - Money. Those on the board at the CDC, making the decisions about which vaccines to add to the schedule are shareholders in the pharma. companies. People, like Paul Offit, who stand to make lots of money from vaccines should not be deciding which vaccines to recommend. And those guys make A LOT of money from vaccines.

#2 - The REQUIRED shots that are not life-threatening to babies, like the Hep B shot given when a baby is hours old. Hep B is a problem among health care workers, drug users and sexually active people. But those guys won't get the vaccine, so they give it to babies. At hours old, it doesn't even protect against Hep B (you need all three shots to protect). Money again, is the best reason for this shot to be given.

#3 - The HPV vaccine. That vaccine was railroaded to our little girls with dire consequences being seen. Money.

I am a health care professional and I believe that these are valid reasons for being concerned about the schedule as it is. There are too many unnecessary vaccines being touted as life-saving, when the risk of dying from the disease is as remote as dying from the a reaction to the vaccine.

Prayer. Prayer. Prayer.

I too have lost sleep over the choices that my husband and I make for our kids.

On the positive side...thanks to everyone on here for being so respectful of all sides.

Hi Kate, Thanks for this reasoned post (I arrived...

2009-10-26T19:14:21.520-04:00

Hi Kate,

Thanks for this reasoned post (I arrived here via Faith and Family Live).

I also read the same WIRED magazine article and found it fascinating ... and disturbing. Yes, I believe in asking lots of questions, but I also believe that doctors really do know what they are talking about.

Our own pediatrician did not recommend the rotavirus vaccine when our older son was a baby, mostly because he felt it hadn't been around long enough and he wanted more data before giving it. With our second son, though, he did recommend it, given that time has passed and he's seen it in action. I appreciate his thoughtful approach.

It bothers me when people completely dismiss medical experts' opinions on vaccines. Yes, some doctors are probably just out for profit or are in the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies -- but frankly, I've never met one who is! And as a general rule, I'd rather get my information from the person who went to medical school than the person who didn't.

Thanks for taking on this hot-button topic.

This is by far the best and most thorough discussi...

2009-10-26T17:59:22.000-04:00

This is by far the best and most thorough discussion of this issue I have ever seen. Thank you all!

Our children have had all recommended vaccinations "on schedule," with the exception of a delay in chicken pox vaccine for my son as we discussed its origin from aborted fetuses. I did also write to Merck, but we got the shot.

We have also done seasonal flu shots although it's currently not available for my kids.

I've been going back and forth on the swine flu vaccinations, but I think it will soon be a moot point. My kids are under 10 and will need 2 shots. We don't have the vaccine available here. If we get it by mid-November, they get two shots three weeks apart and two more weeks to build immunity, I think its risks will outweigh its benefits since H1N1 has already ripped through the school and seems to be on the decline now.

I think the root of the problem here for all of us is trust. WHO CAN WE TRUST? I don't trust the pretty pamphlets telling me to vaccinate when I turn them over and see they came from the pharmaceutical company. I don't trust a lot of mainstream media. I don't trust medical associations because I see them ignore real research in areas related to abortion and hormonal contraceptives. They have allies and agendas that bring their trustworthiness into question in my mind. So, short of each of us becoming research scientist and immunologists, how do we know what is true? That, to me, is the crux of this issue.

I think Danielle hit it on the head - we have to trust God alone. I think all we can do is try out best to find reliable research, ask questions, and pray before making decisions. This side of heaven, unfortunately, I don't think it's going to get much better.

I'm curious if anyone else has read about the link...

2009-10-26T16:02:19.746-04:00

I'm curious if anyone else has read about the link between pregnant women having the flu and their children having autism. There is a brief summary here http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289421,00.html

I wish I had time to read through all of these com...

2009-10-26T15:35:35.790-04:00

I wish I had time to read through all of these comments. I can offer my own thoughts, though.

We start vaccinations when a child is six months old. We do one little shot, then two weeks later another. We wait a month, then repeat process until the child is caught up on his immunizations.

We do not vaccinate ourselves or our children against HepB, the flu, or the chicken pox (nor against H1N1). I would make a different choice if my husband or I worked in a hospital or if my children had weak immune systems. I agree completely with the statement that choosing not to vaccinate is taking a different risk. I'm comfortable with what we've decided.

I am soooooo tired of listening to the media's hyped up panicked reports about H1N1. It is indeed running through our city--and through our parish and school--like wildfire and every person that I know, including pregnant women, has lived through it. Who knows? We may have had it already and don't even realize that's what we were fighting. Every person in the state of NE who has lost their life to it has had an underlying medical condition. It's sad but not unexpected. I just wish that the media would allow the panic to die down and that everyone else would wash their hands often and stay home if they are sick! :P

As for immunizations, I have to go along with the scientific reasoning that there is not a link between them and autism. A friend of mine has a daughter with autism and she says that immunizations are a scary thing for her with her other 3 children but she has them administered nonetheless. I admire her courage.

I hope that someday we do discover the root of autism and are able to cure or aid the disease.

In the meantime, I'll still vaccinate my kids and pray for their health and well being.

I do want to be clear about something: I do suppor...

2009-10-26T13:46:46.004-04:00

I do want to be clear about something: I do support a parent's choice to make the vaccine decision. In fact, one of the many reasons I'm afraid of more government involvement in our health care is because many of our freedoms are at risk of being taken away.

Also, Michelle has a great post from a few years back on the HPV vaccine: http://mreitemeyer.blogspot.com/2007/02/hpv-controversy.html It's well worth the read.

Also, the blog Rosemary Sauce has a good discussion of vaccine ethics from the perspective of the Catholic Church in a few of its most recent posts: http://rosemary-sauce.blogspot.com/

MMR and chicken pox are the only ones we don't get...

2009-10-26T13:38:43.194-04:00

MMR and chicken pox are the only ones we don't get, because they are made from aborted fetal cell lines. How can Catholics in good concience get the rubella and chicken pox vaccine?

Amy

Just in case folks don't read some of the comments...

2009-10-26T13:26:10.461-04:00

Just in case folks don't read some of the comments over at Faith & Family LIVE! I want to respond here as well to someone who said the only year their family ever really suffered serious illness during flu season was when they received the shot and so they don't plan to ever vaccinate against it again.

My husband (who is a doctor) has heard this argument time and time again, but the fact is the vaccine is extremely effective (I've seen stats like it has 70-80 percent efficacy) when the influenza vaccine is well-matched to the strains in circulation. People often say they got the flu after the shot, and there are explanations for people thinking this. The person did not get the flu that the vaccine was designed to protect; however, it's possible to get illnesses caused by other germs. There are many different types of respiratory illnesses that mimic flu symptoms. In addition, the flu vaccine takes about two weeks to be effective. Thus, people can unfortunately get the flu during this small time window. That's why doctors encourage people to get the flu shot early in the flu season (which typically starts in October and peaks in late January/early Feb., according to the CDC). The good news is even if you still contract the flu during this time window, the vaccine can help reduce the severity of symptoms. Finally, some people may experience very mild flu-like symptoms for a day or two after receiving the vaccinations. The body's immune system triggers these symptoms as it builds up to protect against infection with the real influenza, but it's nothing like the real thing or the feeling of being crushed by a Mack truck that the flu causes.

I'm honestly not trying to stir up controversy. I just hope to help parents to separate fact from fiction because there are a lot of myths and pseudo-science theories about vaccines that tend to overshadow the fact that these are medical marvels that save countless lives. I do realize that every parent is just trying to do what's best for her children out of love and care for them.

I also want to add that one person commented and said she is against vaccines, but she understands if a mom has a child who has immune system problem who does get vaccines, but again, we must understand herd immunity. Each mom might think, "Well, so long as most moms vaccinate, then we'll be protected if I choose not to," but this is a fallacy proven by science.

According to the CDC, Even if a few members of the community are unable to be immunized, the entire community will be indirectly protected because the disease has little opportunity for an outbreak. However, with a low percentage of population immunity, the disease would have great opportunity for an outbreak.

Examples of the key role of community immunity include being vaccinated with Hepatitis B, Diphtheria, Acellular Pertussis, Haemophilus Influenzae type b, Inactivated Polio, Pneumococcal Conjugate, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Varicella, and Hepatitis A because these are diseases that can spread through person-to-person transmission.

Finally, I could not agree more with Danielle in post over at F&F LIVE! that ultimately, we cannot inoculate ourselves or our children against every form of struggle, angst, and illness and that is why we must seek God first and trust in Him.

Keep the dialogue open!

God bless!

I do not have time to be as clear and thorough as ...

2009-10-26T13:03:47.305-04:00

I do not have time to be as clear and thorough as I prefer. Bear with me.

I partially vaccinate.

I have two main problems with SOME vaccines and the vaccination process in this country.

#1: Vaccines are pushed early and with little regard for a child's circumstances. The rotovirus vaccine, for example, is encouraged even if the child is cared for primarily at home. We have a vaccination "mentality" that more is best. I disagree. I also disagree on making certain vaccines required by law (for example, the...oh, brain dead...the one for pre-teen girls and cervical cancer...)

#2 The bishops may have waived our culpability in the use of aborted fetuses to create vaccines, but by participating in their use, we have given these companies our lbessing. I do not say this to make people feel guilty and I try hard to avoid this topic with new mothers or those who are blissfully unaware of the origins of many shots. But the Bishops say that the MMR is OK, and what is our reward? A varivax vaccine with the same moral problem. There are no moral alternatives, because companies are not motivated to provide them.

So, I am not personally overly worried about autism or any other side effects. My primary concern is the moral aspect. I can not protect my own child's health if it comes at the cost of another child's life. This is where I am, in this debate, and I respect that others may not be there.

If ethical vaccines were available, my kids would be up to date. Except for the ones they don't need, like Hep A.

Thanks, Donna, for your further comments and for d...

2009-10-26T12:50:47.952-04:00

Thanks, Donna, for your further comments and for disagreeing in the spirit of Christ!

Hi Kate, Thanks for responding to my comment. I ...

2009-10-26T12:46:11.411-04:00

Hi Kate,

Thanks for responding to my comment. I *do* vaccinate my kiddos for other serious diseases, and until this year, we have always gotten the flu shot.

For some reason, and after consulting with a few doctors, I did not feel at all comfortable doing shots this year.

I had already read the "Wired" article before I commented, but felt it was more sensationalistic than realistic....meaning, I didn't really take it very seriously. I understand the *concept* behind herd immunity and the science behind it, but there is this little voice that says, "Just because everyone else is doing something, doesn't mean you should, too."

I still wish I had a great pediatrician whom I trusted, with whom I could talk to about all of this, but last time I talked to one it left a horrible taste in my mouth, and a strong feeling of distrust in my medical community.

I hope everyone continues to comment and research and, ultimately, make the decision that brings you peace.

Sincerely,
Donna

Many good questions. Thanks for bringing the subj...

2009-10-25T22:55:11.558-04:00

Many good questions. Thanks for bringing the subject to your blog. My husband and I do vaccinate. We did struggle with making this decision while still without children. My family is strongly against all vaccines, while his family is strongly pro-vaccine.

I feel lucky to have had direct experience with people from both sides of this argument. Kate, I appreciate that you have said parents on both sides choose based on a "great love" for their kids. It could not be truer.

I am pregnant, and I have gotten the H1N1 vaccine and precisely for the reasons that Violin Mama shared with us.

With regard for giving a face to disease, I hear you. Young unvaccinated children very close to me contracted pertussis. After seeing the effects on these children (5-10 age range), I now know why this disease can be fatal in infants. It was frightening to watch the coughing and wondering if they would be able to stop to breathe, even if just for a short while. The whites of one boy's eyes turned not just bloodshot, but opaque red as a result of the violent, incessant cough. Luckily, both children came out of it alright. But I wonder how any infant could tolerate the same disease.

Even though I was vaccinated for Pertussis as a child, I also contracted pertussis when I was in my early twenties and living in the same household . I, however, had a much milder case of the disease. I am unsure of whether to attribute this to my age or to my assumed immunity. It is true that vaccines work best with a strong herd immunity. Perhaps this is evidence of that.

Great discussion moms! I have done much researc...

2009-10-25T15:06:29.412-04:00

Great discussion moms!

I have done much research on the H1N1 vaccine since I am pregnant. I have decided not to vaccinate myself or my children. We will get the seasonal flu shot, sans thimerisol, when I can find some!

I am not a "no vaccine" person. I do believe that we need to be cautious and do research ourselves before we just blindly accept what our doctor or others tell us. Being informed and asking questions is a part of science and always a good thing.

The H1N1 vaccine is just too new and although it is made in the same way as seasonal flu, I am concerned about the addition of adjuvants either in the process or at the doctor's office. I read the minutes of a meeting that was held in July between the CDC, vaccine manufacturers, the FDA, and doctors. It was very interesting and enlightening and can be found at www.fda.gov.

I vaccinate my children, although I do not get the rotavirus vaccine for my children. When my oldest (now 12) was younger, they came out with a rotavirus vaccine that had to be pulled from the market because too many children were dying from it. Since then, I have been hesitant to give my children that particular vaccine. I am waiting for at least 10 years of research on that one. I find it odd that if you don't get the vaccine within 6 months of birth (or something like that) than "it is too late" it won't help you.

I, too, think that the vaccine schedule is way too agressive and try my best to delay vaccines. I refuse to give my children more than 3 shots at one visit, which tends to frustrate my physician!!

I am a homeschool mom and while my kids are exposed to other kids and public places, we are WAY less exposed than those whose kids are in day care or school. I feel that the home situation should definitely be taken into consideration by the physician. Too often, I feel as though my doctor doesn't look at each family's history, background, lifestyle, etc. and they push vaccines and other treatments on everyone as though they were equal.

I also do not give my babies the vaccine (Hib?) that they try to give them in the hospital within 24 hours of birth. The reason explained to me in the hospital was that I could infect my baby. What? I give them this vaccine at 7 days old. My baby will be with be with me for those 7 days and I and my other children will not leave our house for that period of time. Again, because of my situation, I can keep my risk of infection fairly low.

I really would be interested in the actual numbers (not percentages) of pediatric deaths to meningitis over the last ten years. They did not vaccinate for it 12 years ago. The vaccine only covers the child up to age 2 (or is it age 4?) I have never known anyone who's child has been ill with this disease. Maybe the pediatrician, Lili, could help me out?

Anyway, great discussion and keep it coming. I find it interesting to read the various opinions and knowledge of so many of you!

Thank you!

Awesome Article Katie!!!! :) To Catholic Mommy B...

2009-10-25T12:53:08.599-04:00

Awesome Article Katie!!!! :)

To Catholic Mommy Brain -

You asked one question I think I can answer. At my "womanly appt" I asked my OB GYN why pregnant women would be asked to take this H1N1 if there is a disclaimer about its lack of testing...and this is the answer I got, and it makes sense:

1) H1N1 is apparently VERY hard on the pregnant woman. More so than any percentage of a reaction to the vaccine (and the normal flu). It most women, it is very dangerous....most often causing miscarriage or stillbirth. Then, on top of this...the mother can be hit with a major respiratory ailment that can kill or comatose the mother. My OB has lost 2 babies and their mothers since Aug, and has 2 more moms in the hospital recovering - thank God with their babies still alive inside (and I'm a part of a SMALL practice - bless these women and babies). So, H1N1 seems to hit the preggos hard - but like all drugs - has to have that disclaimer because it was only made this year with a yearly strain.

My OB said if you are a yearly flu shot receiver, and you take flu shots well, you should have NOT problem with H1N1 because aside the from the strain, the vaccines are made the same way, and the body can tell this. So my OB, while totally understanding of the concern (and is very anti MIST by the way for anyone...not just for pregnant women) - she worries less if her patient has a yearly shot vs a never before taken patient.

She does go over the risks of a non yearly flu receiver and watches them as closely after, but truly believes that just as babies are not affected by yearly flu shots (in general research) she educationally stands on the researched idea that babies who are in utero for the H1N1 will also be fine - because mommy's body and baby's metabolizes it the same.

Having lost patients, and babies to miscarriage and still birth - and seeing how smoothly H1N1 is going with mothers taking it now (no miscarriages or stillbirths after) in the last couple of weeks, she has faith in the protection. She really wants her mothers to have the vaccine, since she is seeing more and more of the pain of this virus on the moms and babies, and it is so terrible and life ending.

Her comments made sense to me. I hope they help you get some sort of answer why they are pushing it on pregnant women.

I'm loving all these comments...so helpful!!!

Thanks!

to put a real face on this i can state that here i...

2009-10-24T16:25:28.613-04:00

to put a real face on this i can state that here in charleston my pediatrician has told me there has already been one pediatric death from pertussis (whooping cough) in the past yr and several kids hospitalized with it.
adults should consider getting their tdap (tetanus diptheria pertussis) vaccine if they are due for their tetanus or if they live w young children and haven't had one recently.
food for thought.

Also, to add to the autism discussion, this articl...

2009-10-24T07:22:50.079-04:00

Also, to add to the autism discussion, this article might be interesting

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE59L4MW20091022

basically they found that there are genetic links to autism that they didn't know about before...
Have a nice weekend!

Kate asked me to read these comments and provide s...

2009-10-24T07:17:54.629-04:00

Kate asked me to read these comments and provide some insight since I am a pediatrician. I've had these discussions with parents on an almost daily basis for years, especially after Jenny McCarthy went on Oprah. 2 good sites for information are
1. The CDC -- http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/
and
2. the American Acadamy of Pediatrics http://www.aap.org/parents.html

There's a lot to say, but I'm nearing the end of my shift and don't have a lot of time. I agree with what Kate said and I believe vaccines are good for the health of our children, and as someone who works all over the world and sees the real consequences of not vaccinating children, I strongly advocate for vaccinating our children. We have the resources in this country to prevent these diseases. I think mothers who have lost children to vaccine-preventable diseases would be bewildered to know that parents in the US are intentionally not vaccinating their children.

Thanks, Kate, for the article. Important to note, ...

2009-10-23T19:34:20.313-04:00

Thanks, Kate, for the article. Important to note, though, that not ALL H1N1 developers used ethical lines. Novartis especially is suspect. And who asks? I know I certainly have not with my kids' vaccinations. As you point out, parents informing themselves is sometimes problematic. I'm not sure we really want to know all there is to know...
Blessings to you and yours.